Stepping Away from a High-Paying Law Career with Amira Irfan

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00:51

So, what made you make what made you walk away from a well-paying lawyer job, a job that most people consider to be the dream job? To go full time online?

01:02

Yeah, no, great question. So honestly, it was the potential for the business that it presented for me. So, I was working. I started my business while working full time as a lawyer, but I never really knew what kind of impact or what kind of reach that I could have with an online business. So, after working full time as a lawyer and working on my business, doing evenings and weekends, it soon grew to like six figures. And then I saw the potential for even seven figures. And I saw like, one day, I was just really surprised that I made like $11,000 in a single day, which is what I was making with my job in the entire month. So just having that sometimes, you know, those are the kinds of moments that really hit you and you realize that, hey, you’re destined for more, you are meant to do bigger things and you’re supposed to make a bigger impact, have more influence, more, you know, more income. So, the business just kind of really showed me my true potential. And that gave me the confidence to go ahead and say, okay, I’m just gonna be a full-time entrepreneur, even though being an entrepreneur is a lot riskier than my job was because with my job, I had this security blanket, I knew I was making X amount of money. I knew I could sleep well at night, there were no highs and then lows. But when you’re in the entrepreneurship world, there’s a lot of risk, some months, you’re soaring high, and then other ones, you know, your riskier traffic can go down, your income can go down, but you just learned to, to be resilient and to really go on and riskier and be your own boss, you know?

02:41

No, yeah, it’s so true. I The scariest times in my life were the transitioning moments between me still having a job having two jobs, actually, because I was keeping the other job just so I can have some extra money for ads, because I chose the paid ad route. So, I needed all the money I could get like I was looking for pennies between the couch cushions, you know, hoping to find something every single month. And so there was this time when I’m still working two jobs, but I’m starting to make some money. And there was a moment, there’s one day actually, when my boss really got on my nerves. So, I’m with a client and the store. So, I was working in the store. It was one of my day jobs. And it was with a potential customer. It was a nice old lady, right? Didn’t want to disrespect her and own the store phones ringing off the hook, and just ring and ring and ring and I ignored and kept ringing and I ignored it and the pressure was mounting. You know, all of a sudden, my So, my smartphone, so it’s really, you know, just like, I’m looking at it be like, Oh, it’s my boss. I was like there must be something urgent. I was like, hey, Mickey, his name was Mickey. Hey, Mickey, what’s up? I’m with a client for anything urgent. He’s like, why are you? Why aren’t you picking up the phone? I was like, Well, I’m with a client. But can I call you back? If I’m calling? You need to pick up the phone? You got it? It’s like, wow, can we talk about this? I’m with a client. It’s like, yeah, call me back right away. And you know, he hung up there. So, I’m now on with the client, but I’m fuming. I hate being disrespected like that even by a boss. And so, once I was done with this nice lady who Oh, she wanted really was a webcam. At the time when people used to still buy webcams. I call him back and he gives me the shit about not picking up the phone. If he’s calling, he’s supposed to pick up even if I’m with a client that yada so, yada too and I really didn’t see it the same way. Like I really didn’t see eye to eye with him on this one matter. If I’m with a client, and my job as a sales representative in the store to make you money as your UI. It makes no sense to pick up the phone when I’m with a client trying to close a sale. And he just didn’t listen again. We had a different vision about it. He was extremely paranoid as a boss, and I just said, you know what, Mikis doesn’t work for me. It’s like, Fine, you know, someone will come in and you know, we’ll replace you in a bit. And so, you know, another guy that I was working within that store, his name was Ezra, you know, he came in, he took over, and now I don’t have my second job, still have my job in the toxic facility. And I’m making a little bit of money online, I’m saying know what, you know, I’ll make it go you at it again. Because I actually did try to make a go at it before when I made my first commission. But I quit my job too soon, because I went on for the next eight months, having no commissions, so I had to actually go back and beg for my job. So, I was really afraid to make the transition. And this in this moment was, was really, really scared for the next few months. Even when I surpassed my job income with my Commission’s, you know, there were days when I didn’t make any Commission’s or I made $10. And I was terrified. I was quite literally losing sleep at night biting my nails, I had no idea how to deal with this anxiety. Like, did you have a coping mechanism?

06:11

Yeah, I, you know, as you were talking, I was like, yes, that’s me. Because I, that’s what took me so long to quit my job because I made six figures in the first year. So, people were like, why aren’t you leaving your job, you’ve already replaced your job, you know, with your business. But there was this anxiety all the time, like, I’m not going to be able to replicate this income month to month, day to day, week to week. And that would just make me like not to quit my job. Because there was a security blanket, there was this sense of like, oh, I No matter what, I will have this paycheck. And it just took me literally like almost two years to finally like to cope with it to get to this realization that hey, listen, if you dream vaguely, you gotta be prepared to take big risks. And you’ve done it. So, my coping mechanism is that I will look back into the history of life, whatever months that I’ve been in business, and how far I have come from where I started from Ground Zero. I mean, I didn’t even know anything about internet marketing. I didn’t know how to start a business, none of that. So, I would remind myself, it’s almost like a brainwashing, and a talking session with my own self, like pep talk. And I would be like, hey, listen, you’ve done this. I think the thing that helped me is that every morning, I would look at three things that I’m grateful for. And out of those three things would be some of my accomplishments. So that it’s like a reinforcement on a day-to-day basis, they look if you’ve made, for example, 50 sales in your first month of business, or if you made X number of followers in your, whatever months, or you’ve done this, and that just would be a good motivation for me to keep going. And that’s what I needed to kind of overcome that anxiety. And that fear that Hey, and don’t get me wrong, there’s still times you know, even after making the significant money that I made, there’s still times I’m like, okay, well, the corona came and other things happen, you know, which are beyond our control, but you just have to keep as I think being an entrepreneur, you got to be resilient. You got to bounce back, you got to be creative, and you come up with new tips, new strategies evolve with time, and just keep on improving your game.

08:15

Yeah, I agree with you. You know, it’s interesting, you mentioned that it’s almost like you had this habit of, of keeping a success diary, by being able to review your past successes, and that’s what you used to tap your, for confidence. And it’s, it’s really cool, because everything is conditioning. Yes. Like, if you think about it, everything is conditioning, and it’s either conditioning you for scarcity, anxiety, things like that, or it’s conditioning you for success, confidence, optimism, gratitude, and things of that nature. You know, that’s when with my daughter, and not with my son who just turned four a few months ago, we do a ritual before bed, it’s called Success diary, where my kids have to sit down. Well, my daughter now does it on her own. But my son, I, you know, either myself or my wife, we do it with him, where we have a Google Doc. And at the end of every day, we write down all of their successes for the day. So, it could be simple things by the way, it doesn’t have to be anything major. It could be something like, you know, I tried a new food today, like, you know, where I ate one slice of carrot, even though I hate it, you know, or I tried to roller-skating today for the first time or I’ve, you know, practice the skill or I made a friend or I, I made a mistake. And I was able to admit it. And I said sorts, all sorts of things like that, that don’t seem like big, big deals that they can write down into the success diary. And what’s really cool is that at the end of each day, you know, whether it’s three successes or five successes, we’re also adding the successes to the total tally of whatever they’ve been doing. And so, my son has just crossed 500 successes. Nice. So, he’s, yeah, so he’s running around before bed. He’s like, dead 500 needs success. And I was like, okay, go tell Erica. Erica 500 needs success, uh, go tell mom and he’s like going around and telling people, so constantly reinforcing that he’s doing a great job, you know, and my daughter, she’s known she’s been, you know, very, very consistent with this. It’s one of those things that I actually put more emphasis on brushing my teeth. You know, I don’t even care if she brushes her teeth that night. Like, did you just access the diary, that’s like one thing that’s going to happen. And she knows she passed 11,000 successes, wow. And her success list is so long, that she knows has to scroll all the way down through pages and pages and pages of successes. So, when you see this, it’s a tremendous difference. As far as self-confidence goes, because she now formed herself, a self-image of a successful person, a confident person. And you see, the way she’s approaching things, whether it’s relationships, whether it’s, you know, particular assignments, and she is able to actually have a bias towards spotting her successes. Growing up, I didn’t have that growing up, I would beat myself up way more often than I would congratulate myself. And what I noticed is even today, I’m 34. Now, it’s so difficult for me to either congratulate myself to admit a success, or to even do something nice for myself, you know, oftentimes will daydream about something that I really want to do. But then I would be, but then I would immediately be discarded as something that I don’t deserve to do for whatever reason, and I think it goes back to childhood conditioning.

11:56

It does 100% I mean, I believe it or not, I had very low self-esteem growing up. You know, I don’t want to talk too much about my background, but there was a little bit of abuse. So that automatically made me a very timid, very reserved, very shy person, and low on confidence. But you know, part of the reason I wanted to become a lawyer is because I wanted to overcome all of that, right? I gained that confidence, improved my public speaking skills, and I knew I had all this, all this strength in me that I just needed to now show the world and myself most importantly, but you’re 100% right, it’s constant mental work. And I feel like being in business you can have all these skills. But if you’re not mentally, like there, you wouldn’t get you wouldn’t reach your full potential. So, I love the list that you shared about the success story diary, like I have something like that, which I call a success journal. And I definitely have my list of like successes over the years, whether business, job, or anything else. It is just such a good uplifting motivation kind of thing, you know, to just make you realize how much you can achieve.

13:02

Yeah, absolutely. It’s a tremendous habit. And I’ve always, I’ve always kind of tried to look into contrarian ideas, because you don’t see too many parents celebrate, like, I do see parents trying to praise their kids for everything, even when they shouldn’t be praised. And lots of kids are also being given stuff, which I don’t think is the same as praising like they’re being either bribed with a toy, or being given stuff without any conditions. Just grew up to be very spoiled. I’ve seen that many, many times. So, when I had kids, I always asked myself, what do most parents not? Do you think so? You know, how do most parents show up? What do they do most of the time, that isn’t, you know, serving their kids. And, you know, there’s many different schools of thought of parenting, but one thing I’ve learned over time is that any human being will always operate to their self-image. So, there’s the concept of self-esteem. But there’s also the concept of self-image where we have an idea of who we are, or who we are supposed to be, and that if we don’t see ourselves as a certain type of person, we would never do certain things. Like, I don’t see myself as a fun, outgoing, social person. So, I don’t go I don’t go clubbing. I don’t go to parties. I don’t feel comfortable in that environment. But when I find myself in that environment, I do great. You know, I can dance. I’m having a good time. People around me have a good time. But bestselling that’s like, that’s like a conditioning thing. Right? You know what I mean? And so, we end up sort of being stuck with the conditioning thing that we were, you know, we developed over time as we were kids and you write people bring this into their business. And I think one of the reasons why so, not everyone should be in business for themselves. Not everyone really should be an entrepreneur though I understand that being entrepreneurs, the new rock star, you know, like, people like, love, admire and respect you for some reasons, like, hold you. Right? Right. You don’t have a boss, oh, my God. But, but so, most so, people, I’d say, can stomach that, with their current conditioning and self-image, they can stomach the risk, they can stomach the need for self-image responsibility for their actions. They’ll walk around with this victim mindset and entitlement mentality; you know what I mean? Like, have you seen that?

15:52

Yes. 100%. And, you know, I read somewhere, Igor, like, not too long ago that entrepreneurship is the best form of personal development. And I know you would agree with me on that. Because when you become an entrepreneur, there’s so many skills and so many abilities that you have to have, like, you know, the ability to take risks, the ability to make decisions, right? I mean, people have decision fatigue, sometimes they just can’t even make a decision. But as an entrepreneur, you got to do all of these things, the ability to sell the ability to communicate, you know, all of those things. I feel like entrepreneurship really is the highest form of personal development. And then of course, our mental fitness, right? Like, just like, we just talked about the limiting self-beliefs, overcoming all of that, gaining that confidence. And I just think it’s such a, it’s, it’s an amazing thing, but it’s not for everyone. You know, for sure, you got to have the stomach for all of these.

16:46

Would you say going through law school taught you certain things that you now use in your business? Well, aside from the service, I know, you have a service side where you do actually lawyer stuff for people, but self-beliefs in terms of self-development, mindset, self-image, any sort of habits? How did law school play out for you? And how is it playing out for you in your business right now? 

17:13

So, that’s a great question. Nobody’s ever asked me this. But I will say that everything that I’ve done in my life, any self-image career I have taken, I’ve always taken a piece of that and incorporated it into my business. I’ll give you an example. Not just law school, but uh, you know, I used to model so of course, being a model, you got to have a lot of confidence, you got to be good, have a good camera, presence, good photos. So, all of those skills, like, of course, I took that into the business, right? These are skills I use every day. Some things just come easy to me. Whereas for some people, it might be tough right to speak, just being in front of a camera, then teacher. I used to be a teacher also, before I was a lawyer. So, one of my passions is like teaching. So, what do I do as a lawyer, even in my business, what am I doing? I’m teaching entrepreneurs, right? I’m teaching them how to legally protect their businesses, whether it’s through video lessons, or whether it’s one on one working with me coaching. So again, I incorporated that from my own experience and put it into the business. Now let’s talk about lawyers, right? So, when you’re a lawyer, one of the things that you learn is like analytical skills, right? Like decision making skills, writing skills, reading skills, all of those I feel like entrepreneurs need because you got to be very good with analyzing data, you got to be good with analyzing what’s working, what’s not working, your ability to make decisions, your ability to be confident and believing in yourself as a lawyer, I used to go to court. So, I would go across in Florida, pretty much I’ve traveled in every single court. That was my job as a litigation attorney. So, I would have to literally dissect an issue, I would have to solve a problem, right? So, I would have to solve a problem for my client. And what are we doing as entrepreneurs, we’re solving problems. That’s exactly what we’re doing, whether it’s through a product that we’re selling, we’re solving a problem, whether it’s a service that I’m offering an LLC service, I’m solving a problem. So, all those skills in my life that I’ve accumulated through different career paths, I have kind of just nicely blended it all into the business doesn’t make sense. 

19:14

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. I think it’s interesting. You mentioned decision making a couple of times. Yeah, I don’t hear too many people talking about decision making, but I do have a lot of people ask me about the shiny object syndrome, because that’s a big problem for people. Oh, yeah. I mean, I’m no different. So, I’m, I’m probably one of the bigger shiny object seekers too, because just yesterday, I purchased a course on how to write a VSL, which LGBT haven’t even started. I mean, it’s just, I’m pretty sure I’m never going to finish it. But I think shiny object syndrome is a symptom of poor decision making in terms of just people using it to avoid decisions. Yeah, I think the reason why, you know, we get into something and then we don’t really go through with it fully is because we encounter a point when we have to make a decision that we feel uncomfortable making. I remember I was going through the course on WordPress, back way back when, like, probably 10 years ago. And there was a point in time when I had to actually install WordPress on my domain, right? And it wasn’t very technical at the time, this kind of stuff would scare me. And I just dropped it. Like from that point I just dropped the course, didn’t even continue and just switched to something else. And so, that’s like this shiny object behavior came as a symptom to avoiding that decision, like a symptom of procrastination. So, talking about decision making. Do you have any protocols or rules by which you make decisions? Even if it’s general stuff? Like it doesn’t have to be a life changing decision, but as a lawyer, what sort of decision-making tools do you have in your toolkit? 

21:06

Yeah, no, another great question. So, what I do is like, I honestly listen to my gut feeling a lot. So, I do rely, because I feel like we all have that. So, I’m very much in tune with myself. I think that has to do with my years of meditation, having this ritual that I wake up, I would go in my meditation room. That’s my way of connecting with my higher self. So, the first step is to listen to my inner feelings. If there’s, there’s an if even in the decision that I pause, and I reflect on it. I consider the pros and cons, because that’s the lawyer, right? So, I’m looking at both sides. If I take this decision, what’s the worst that can happen? And for the most part, if I feel like there’s more pros and cons, and I will take it, I don’t like to spend too much. I don’t like to waste too much time on decision making, because that’s slowing your progress. And I did have that problem. There was a time in my life that I couldn’t even decide on which restaurant to go to. And my husband used to be like, Man, you can’t make a damn decision. I couldn’t figure out which dress to wear with, you know, these little So, things like that women go through and I don’t have that problem anymore. Because I’ve realized that that’s a waste of time. There’s a lot of things, there’s a lot of important decisions as a business owner you have to make. And if you can’t even make those small decisions, then how are you going to make big, big life changing or big entrepreneurship decisions? So, I really just do those pros and cons checklists in my head or on paper. Perhaps sometimes if it’s really a huge, like a financial decision, maybe have a conversation with a loved one, my husband or anybody else that I love, you know, trust and get an opinion and then just want it’s either a yes or no. Because that time that people waste in just figuring it out. Like if it’s a yes or no is the time wasted? That you’re never gonna get back? So, either it’s a yes or either, so no, and just move on. I don’t know if you agree with that. But that’s my approach.

22:59

Yeah, I don’t, I don’t think I agree. For me a lot of stuff is great. And I’ve been thinking of that. I don’t know how old you are. I’m going to be polite. And the older I’ve been getting, the more difficult some decisions become. The more I feel like there are some areas of life where I feel like there’s lots of great things, some are black and white. Right? Shoot, shoot, I eat sugar before lunchtime. Now I can ya know, you got it’ll be a spike. I’ll crash it; it’ll be disgusting. Yeah. But like, should I move to Italy? There’s lots of variables in that decision. Yeah. And until we can understand the exact variables that are most important. Yeah, it’s really just impossible for me to make a decision. So, I can just delay the decision altogether. And that would be my way of dealing with it. I think. For me, as far as the decision-making toolkit, one of the first things that I believe can make most decisions in your life, much easier to make, like you’ll just have so much clarity is if you spend the time to So, create your hierarchy of values. This is a concept that I first heard from Dr. John DeMartini. Yeah, we spoke about it on this podcast. Actually, the idea is very simple. Every person has a hierarchy, like a pyramid of values, some things are just higher up on that scale, right? And if whatever is highest on the scale, you will find yourself spending the most time, money and energy on that area of your life. And so, these can be guiding goalposts, if you will, on how you make decisions. Like let’s make something as simple as designing your website. Yeah, or deciding on what website you want to build. Yeah, you know, if your primary value is Not wasting time or to be time efficient, or to be efficient with your resources, which is definitely one of the values I have, your decision-making process will probably lean towards getting a cheap template. Don’t waste too much time on making it too beautiful. Focus on the essentials, like your copy and your USP. And put it together as best as possible with the minimum tech effort probably by using something like Leadpages or Kartar, or Click Funnels or Kajabi or something. So Kajaki that’s where most people would be. But my best friend, Dennis, his value is actually to appear professional. And when you have that as your value, especially in relation to the digital scene, okay, you will not make that decision, you will be leaning towards a decision that states we’re going to invest a lot of money in time and make a really slick, beautiful, fast loading website. And then we’re definitely not going to use Clickfunnels, because ClickFunnels is something that everyone else is using. Therefore, it’ll make us look like everyone else. And we don’t want to look like everyone else. You know? So just an example of if you can figure out your value hierarchy. If it seems like you did, by the way, I don’t know if you consciously sat down and did it, but you know what your values are. And you just let your values drive your decision making. I think many people don’t recognize this. And I think they often try to use other people’s hierarchy or values or measuring sticks to make decisions for themselves. Right. And they go around, they ask for advice. They get contradictory advice, too. That’s another thing you know about our industry, the industry of teaching people about anything, any topic, niche, or interest has like a million gurus giving, contradicting advice, right? That’s true, it is true 100%

27:02

I think it comes from each and every single one of them having a different hierarchy of values and hitting success with a different strategy at a different point in time. Or just that strategy may be a better fit for their personality. It’s like, what’s the best way to promote your business? Is it being super active on Instagram? Is it going around speaking on stages at seminars? Is it running webinars? Or is it running paid ads without even revealing your name? So, depending on your hierarchy of values, that will be different. Like for me, you know, doing webinars makes perfect sense because I love the public speaking aspect, right? I want to get in front of people because I love the status that comes with it. One of my values is to be of high status, right? It’s something that I’ve devoted a lot of time to, but at the same time, another value of mine is that I hate traveling. I hate traveling, I’m afraid of flying, I just don’t like it. So, in this case, does the speaking on stage element. Not on my thing, but being at home doing a webinar? Yes, perfect.

28:17

So, let me ask you, yeah, what are some of your values on your hierarchy? Like if you had to look at it in terms of you know, personal development or even business or even personal life? What are some of the key values that you’ve learned about yourself over the years?

28:37

So, I think for me, the biggest thing is like how the kind of products and services that I’m providing so for me, I think it’s really important to provide that high quality because I want to be known as someone that someone can just say, Man, I loved her product or I loved her service. She was excellent and I think that is something I’ve been striving for from day one and that’s why it’s no surprise that without even asking, we have like 200 Plus or every day there’s a new testimonial like and that to me speaks volumes. So, my value is what am I like? I said one of my core values is what I deliver, right I how I want to be known as or what So, kind of a legacy I’m going to leave so all these products will be services to all the work that I’m doing so that is really important. The other thing is I also like taking care of myself, like I don’t want them. I was a workaholic. So, I learned the hard way by ending up being in an emergency room for an unexpected surgery is that I kind of worked. I’m too passionate. So now what I value is creating that balance in my life. So, I don’t want to be having my business. I don’t want to be working in the business. I want to be working on the business, right? So that’s something I like working towards being in that position so that I am not taking a toll on my mental and physical health and to be honest, the other thing is Just enjoy the process. So, I don’t believe in I don’t believe in having too many rules and too many values, I just believe in like really following my inner voice and just kind of making sure that I’m happy at the end of the day, because if you’re not happy, then it’s not worth it, no amount of money. Nothing is gonna give you that fulfillment. If you are, you know, if you’re not really walking on you on your life path, and you’re not enjoying the process.

30:27

Yes. Sounds like some continuity and free spiritism value there.

30:35

Yeah, you could say that I do enjoy that to be honest. Because I tend to get bored easily. So, you’re right, being spontaneous and having that creativity. That’s why I will create new products sometimes. I know, my first year I created like, one product, like every couple of weeks, you know, or in a few weeks, I created like four products. So, I’m just like really good at that when the inspiration strikes or when that spontaneous, enlightening experience happens or insight comes, I know, like, it’s my moment to shine. So yes, I do have that definitely in me that fires in me.

31:11

Interesting. What do you find, puts you in that place, in that place of inspiration.

31:18

I would say it’s my progress, the results. It’s 100%, the impact of the response that I get from the customers, it’s the progress that I’m overall making, the impact that I’m making. So, all of this to me is like motivation, right? And I also think about discipline. Another thing people don’t talk about is the amount of discipline that you need as an entrepreneur, right? Because you mentioned like the shiny object, you mentioned all these distractions. And if you just don’t have the discipline to keep going out, you’re gonna, you know, you’re probably not going to achieve, reach the full potential or the results that you’re desiring. So, for me, it’s kind of just keeping my head tunneled and focused. If I’m working, for example, on launching a new product or products, then I’m really focused on that. So, for me that what So, results in creating those things and making sure they happen, versus getting distracted in the process. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not perfect, nobody’s perfect. But I’m just saying for the most part, I’ve learned to be more disciplined with my time not because I wanted to, but because I didn’t have a choice. I started the business while working as a lawyer. As a lawyer, I was working 1214 hours already in a day. And then I have limited time to work on the business. So, weekends were just like very disciplined, very focused. And that just taught me all these skills on top of, you know, what I was already doing as a lawyer to realize that, hey, this is the momentum I need to carry forward even after I quit my job.

32:45

Interesting. What do you do outside of work that gets you, I guess, excited or recharged? I mean, you mentioned meditation, we’ve been I’m assuming is a tool for you to stay productive to stay on point. But what other things outside of work do you tend to put your time into. 

33:05

So, I love exercising and working out. That’s also part of my daily ritual. I have to do yoga, I have to do meditation. And sometimes of course, going to the gym working out this another outlet for me, like a stress buster. And then I also love reading and writing. So, you know, every once in a while, I’ll have like an audiobook I listen to, or I’ll have a book that I’m reading on my phone, or just a physical copy. And then you know, just creative writing. So, I like journaling. We talked about successful journals, and all of that. So, I kind of keep track of the best moments of my life. I will have a journal of that, like I have something called best days of you know, 2022 or best days of 2021. So anytime something really positive, really something that I can celebrate happen, I would have a whole like a journal of that. So again, that’s my annual journal. Like I could look at 2022 and be like, okay, these were the highlights, you know, and so things like that kind of keep me again, positive, upbeat and just like motivated and happy at the end. Interesting. And then of course spending time with family. That’s another one. Yeah. Oh, then no, that’s family. Yeah. Oh, that doesn’t matter.

34:18

Yeah, all that family stuff. I do that as well.

34:24

Yeah, exactly. That’s what you knew Father in the beginning. I’m like, that’s normal.

34:28

Do you have any vices or bad habits?

34:32

Yeah, I would sometimes binge watch so if I get hooked on a show then you know, before I know it, they’re like five, six hours or more just kind of like I’m addicted, I’ll get addicted to something, you know, and that’s, that’s a problem. So, you know, there goes my day, or I’ll stay awake.

34:53

Do you binge watch, like in the middle of the day or do you try to keep yourself from doing it?

34:58

So, I try to I Honestly keep myself awake. But you know, I was listening. It’s funny because you brought that memory, I was listening to one of your podcast episodes. And you mentioned that where you and your wife will sit down and watch some TV has to be on when you guys are eating, we have the same exact problem we have. And when I listen to that, I’m like, God, I’m like, that’s, that’s me and my husband. So, we would not just sit there and eat our talk, we have to have the TV on. So. So what how what ends up happening as a byproduct of that is, so there’ll be a show that he and I are into, for example, and then one episode and next thing you know, it tends to a third episode or for that, so that, you know that does happen in the afternoons. So, I prefer that he’s not home.

35:47

With the daisies home, hey, he ruins it for me. So, I’m one of those wives that actually prefers that his man is her man.

35:57

Because he’s, yeah, I wish my wife listened to this episode, because she’s the exact opposite. You know, we’ll be spending all this time at home together, and then I’ll be gone for like an hour or two to hang out with a friend of mine who I meet usually once a week . He’s very intuitive and very empathetic. So, he’s like, he really understands human emotions, almost like meeting with a really, really supportive psychotherapist. You know what I mean? Yeah, that’s an amazing, amazing, amazing guy. And then I’ll be back home and she’ll come in and she’ll hug me and she’ll be looking at me like she ‘s just back from work. I was like, what’s up, and she’s like, I missed you so much. I was like, I’ve been gone for 53 minutes. You know, like, just relax. Let me ask you something. Let me ask something. So, when me and my wife watch a good show, or movie, usually when it’s over? We don’t even talk about it. Really? Okay, we just move on with our lives. How is it with you guys like with you and your husband?

37:01

So, we talk about it. We don’t talk too much about the shows as much. But if it’s a movie, I have to comment. So, I don’t think it’s so much him. He’s more on the listening side. But it’s me, the vocal one. So, I have to give my feedback. So, I have to be the one to say, well, you know, it was not that good. Or it was this or whatever my thoughts are at the moment. I have to just speak. I don’t keep it inside and he’s mostly just either agreeing with me or just giving his one or two cents and, and we move on from there. But yeah.

37:35

Okay. All right. So, let me ask you, so what are the top three? movies or TV shows? What have you been watching recently?

37:46

Oh, my goodness. It’s been. Yeah, you’re putting me on the spot. So, I know. I recently watched a movie in the theaters. Which one was it? So, John. Not John. Draw John Wick. John Wick. There you go.

37:58

What did you think of John Wick? 

37:59

So, this one, I have seen all of them. I did not care for this one. This one I felt like was too much. Just fighting, fighting, fighting. You know, there was just too much. I don’t know. What did you think of it? 

38:12

The end ruined it for me? Yes, yes. Yeah, they absolutely freaking ruined it for me like I’m into gunfight. And this one was the third one that was pretty rich with fights. But this one was like the whole like, even more, and it was on another level. Yeah. So, there’s a couple of things that have ruined it for me. I’m a big fan of the John Wick franchise. I actually started the John Wick franchise from the second movie. I didn’t even know what it was. And then we went to the theaters. We watched it. I was blown away. I was like, how come I never seen this? I went back home the same night we watched John Wick one. Okay, I loved it even better. So then when the third one came out, I was you know, I was so happy and then when the fourth one was announced I was even happier. And then and then here’s the two things that ruined John Wick for me. And you know, I went from like when we got out of the movie for the next five hours, I kept on decreasing the score that would give it went from like 90 to like 75 And I kept him dropping it because first the scene where they’re the and the Triumph arc in Paris and there’s the car scene what basically where they’re fighting in the circle and cars keep and ramming them, right. Yeah, I mean, bullshit. Come on. Even if there’s two guys fighting on that road, everybody stops. If one car hits somebody and then just you know, either they run them over or they kill them or whatever. The traffic will stop, but the traffic kept going and going and going at some point after like 16 people got shot and 15 people got ran over. So, like stopping the traffic, you just come on. And so, and the ending the day he died. Yeah, so basically who died a free man but he died and that and I hated it. 

40:15

I absolutely hated the ending to I was honestly thinking he was gonna survive like, I don’t know what till the very end I thought he was gonna, you know, I know he’s sitting there but I thought he was gonna survive but they just apparently did show him as debt like he died so that was shocking for me too. Yeah, disappointing.

40:29

Yeah, that’s really disappointing. They sort of lifted sort of, at the end it’s like worth I can’t believe he’s dead and the continental the guy goes like, well, yes, I don’t know. So, but man like, I really hope they do a spin off. I think I saw a trailer today. There’s going to be a spinoff of the continental that’s going to be taking place in the 70s. Oh, it’s gonna be all about the hotel so I think it’s going to be good. I hope it’s gonna be good. buddy John Wick. I did like them. The killer is the character. Yes. The fat guy. Yeah, he was. That was pretty cool. That was really cool. Yeah, he was really funny. I liked him. Yeah, for sure. Okay, so John Wick. All right. Two more.

41:16

There’s so many. I know that this is not the recent one. But my cousin. Vinnie spreading that one the spinoff lawyer movie the hilarious one. I’m not good with names. I would have to check it but you know, my cousin Vinnie or something like that. Wasn’t that the one?

41:34

Yeah, no, I need to look it up.

41:38

Well, anyway, before that, I watched the Avatar The spinoff recent one. Did you watch that one? Yeah, I did. I did not care for that one either.

41:51

I really, I just was like, why did they make this movie?

41:54

Yeah. Why did they make it? I felt like a drag, especially sitting in the theater. And it just was like, okay, when is this gonna end? Do you know, but some people really enjoyed it. I have friends that were like, oh, we loved and I’m like, okay, you know, everybody’s different. But I didn’t care for that one.

42:10

Look, if you enjoy the visuals. Yeah, it’s as beautiful as the first one. Yeah. But you know. Yeah, I think it was a waste of three hours plus, but my daughter loved that she wanted to go. Because we went to Disney last year. And we did the avatar world and the avatar rides. Yeah. And then they got this really cool avatar ride where you get to fly this one of these dragons. Yeah, the best ride I’ve been on ever. It’s so unique. You have to try it out. If you ever if you’re in Florida. Just I am. Yeah, go to, Go goes to the avatar thing. They actually have floating rocks. Oh, okay. I was. So, you enter. It’s like Pandora and there’s these giant, you know, things floating.

42:58

Wow. Okay, I gotta try that. Because I’m always up for some excitement. But you know, my husband is a chicken. He doesn’t get on any of these rights. I have to like, Yeah, but I’m more of a thrill seeker than he is. 

43:11

So yeah, well, you know, like having him just take the spot in line for you.  

43:19

The Avatar ride is worth it. For everyone. Like I, I enjoyed it tremendously, and I usually don’t really enjoy your rides all that much. Uh huh. Awesome. Yeah. Are you a Harry Potter fan?

43:31

I am. Yes. I’ve watched all of those as well. 

43:35

Yeah. So, you know, you should go to Universal. Have you been to the payroll?

43:38

Yes. I’ve been to Yeah, being in Florida. I’ve been to all of them. I’ve been to SeaWorld. I’ve been to Disney. I’ve been too universal. We went to Universal for horror nights, too. That’s another fun time during Halloween to go there. They too do a very good job of scaring you. So? Yeah. So, we’ve gone there a bunch of different times. But, you know, I grew up here. So, for me, it’s not as exciting anymore. Because we’ve been there like what I don’t know, 567 times already in my lifetime. So. So for me, it’s like, okay, I need to get out of Florida, you know? Yeah. I would love to come to Canada, though. So that’s like on my list, you know, for sure. Sometime in the future.

44:16

I’m not sure why you want to do that. I mean, unless you’re you unless you really love nature. If you like hiking and you know,

44:26

I do like hiking but I’m not crazy about it. But yes, I liked hiking. There’s nothing like this sort of stuff, then you should come. Yeah, okay. Yeah, great.

44:36

I mean, I just heard that it’s beautiful. Like I have a friend over and she says like, oh, you she’s always inviting. And she’s like, you gotta come, it’s just beautiful. But hey, I’ve never been there. So, all I’ve seen is just Niagara Falls, but other than that, I haven’t seen much.

44:51

Yeah, there’s a bonfire. I think it’s cold. That’s really beautiful as well. So, it’s worth a trip for sure.

44:59

Okay. Yeah, yeah, just to check it off your list. What about you? What’s your favorite place like in the world? That’s a good question. I’m always curious, like, what’s your favorite destination to visit or anything? You know?

45:13

So far, it’s been London. Really? Okay. We just came back from London. We’ve been there for, like, 10 days. I got to go watch some football games as well. Okay, it was epic. But London as a place far, London is London never disappoints. I think I went there like five times now. Wow. It never disappoints, but I am hoping to spend more time in Italy this year. Okay, and then see if I like that please better but so far London is the absolute just the absolute best he has ever been to London.

45:53

Been there now? It’s also somewhere else that I must like and I want to. I want to go but I haven’t been there. 

46:01

Yeah, you should. You should. You should absolutely love it. Something about London. It has a pedigree. Like a place has a pedigree. That’s something I’ve never got in the US. Yeah. Even when I went to places like Philadelphia that had a rocky thing. And, you know, like, the whole that’s where they signed the bill right? In Philadelphia. Yeah, I didn’t really feel it. The closest thing to that is New York, just because of how much it’s connected to pop culture and the industrial age and the industrial revolution and, and stuff like that. But London has a whole different vibe. It does. I’ve never I’ve never experienced anything else.

46:45

And it’s got so much history. You know, it’s got so much history, so much culture and yeah, so I hear it has so many things to do over there, too.

46:55

Yeah, yeah. It’s far, crammed with things you can do. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it ranges from far, the most ridiculous things to like. My wife, actually, on this past visit found the store and the ancient lake store that’s like 500 years old or something where you can go and buy really expensive, unique umbrellas.

47:15

Wow. Okay. Yeah, that’s new. And it is and it’s like you go in, it’s tiny. It’s like one of those Harry Potter shops that are really tiny. And you’ve got these umbrellas made of elephant bone and skulls of dead babies. And I’m just getting like it was just made.

47:37

I don’t want to interrupt you. But I was like, Are you serious?

47:42

No, it’s just that it’s really unique. You can find this stuff anywhere else. It’s also really expensive. We ended up buying the cheapest one. Okay. For like 250 pounds. Wow. For an umbrella. Umbrella. Yeah, I know. I know. So. Yeah. It’s far, tremendous. It’s absolutely tremendous. What is your favorite place?

48:03

So, I have quite a few. I really like Mexico. I don’t know. I like Mexican food. I like the culture. I like Mexico. We’ve been there a couple of times. I just, yeah, I like these Central American South American countries. I like the Dominican Republic as well. Yeah, I like that we went to Costa Rica last year. That was also a lot of fun. I don’t know. I just like that culture. 

48:30

So interesting. I’ve never been to Mexico. Really? Yeah, I’m playing a visit this year. Well, what’s the best time to go?

48:35

Well, we’ve gotten only in the summertime because of my birthday. And our wedding anniversary falls around that time. So, it always ends up being really hot. But I would say definitely like around November, October when the weather is not too cold. Not too hot, because it does get really hot, just like Florida. So, the weather is very tropical. So, you want to go like you know, in October, November, December, if you’d like a little colder weather.

48:58

Yeah, I really don’t care about the weather that much.

49:02

Because you are already in this really cold place.

49:04

Yeah, yeah, we are. We are getting super nice here now. Ah. Yeah. So the last question we’re about in Mexico. The east side, the west side.

49:16

So, I am not good with the east and the west side. And navigation is my husband’s department. We went to Puerto Vallarta and we went to what’s that other place? There’s another one Cabo Wabo or some cup, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So those are the two that we’ve been to and it was really a lot of fun.

49:38

Okay. All right. I’ll check those out. Yeah. 

49:41

But yeah, check whatever the best resorts are, because obviously, I filter it out based on where I’m going to be staying too, so that’s important, right? But yeah, any of those will whichever resort has one of these things where you can drop your kids off and just yeah, that’s my resort. That’s for me. That’s So that’s my thing.

50:01

Yeah, that’s your best resource for sure.

50:05

All right, well, thank you for spending this time with me. Where can we go to find out more about you and the services you provide? And what sort of services do you provide?

50:15

Yeah, no. Okay. Well, thanks for asking. So, there are a bunch of different things. You can work with me in two ways. First is like you can work with me one on one. So, when we talk about services, for example, if you are a business owner, you’re going to need at least one of these things of website legal audit to make sure that your website is legally compliant with all the laws and regulations out there. The second thing is you might even have legal or business questions about your specific business. So that’s something that I help entrepreneurs navigate through the legalities, I help answer through coaching, all kinds of questions that you have. The other thing you may need is very important contracts, which are like the foundation of a business. So, whether you’re doing partnerships, or whether you are hiring people, employees, contractors, you’re always going to need some sort of a contract to protect yourself. So, I also do contract writing, I also do contract reviews. A lot of my customers reach out to me when they’re about to get into a deal. Like if it’s an acquisition of a business, or if it’s a sponsorship, that they’re working with a brand. And they just want to make sure that their interest is protected, that this contract actually protects them, not the other So, side. So, they’ll book a consultation with me, we’ll review or even something like an LLC formation. So, if you are, especially in the US, LLC is a very, very common and the easiest way to limit your legal liability for whatever you’re doing with the business. So, this way, you’re not personally held responsible for the deaths and the losses of the business, you definitely want to have a shield of protection. So, one of these I’m pretty sure if you’re listening you would need help with your business at some point. And then the second way, as I mentioned, that you can work with me is by simply grabbing one of my Done for You Legal templates, whether it’s a website policy, like privacy policy, disclaimers, terms and conditions, or how to digitally protect your products and services, what caught, you know, contracts with terms you will need for those. All of that is all in my legal store. And you can definitely take a look at all these templates. And lastly, I encourage you guys to grab a free legal guide, because over the years working as a lawyer, and actually before I became a lawyer, not a lot of people know this is that I became a lawyer because I watched my own dad business get sued. So, I’ve seen some of the mistakes that my dad has made and some other entrepreneurs have made while working as a lawyer for over a decade. So, I’ve incorporated some of those mistakes that you want to avoid in this guide that I’ve put together. So, I encourage you guys to download that it’s absolutely free by simply visiting the freebies page on my site. And then lastly, just reach out if you have any questions and what is your site? Oh, yes, the most important part, right? So, you can always reach me at aselfguru.com it’s you know, a and then self and then guru.com

53:08

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53:49

Thank you. Me too.

53:54

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